Post by Nightsy on Jul 22, 2009 12:57:45 GMT
Actually, I'm not willing to agree that Christianity is easy. It isn't, whether or not you think so. I suppose it's a matter of opinion, but honestly, a real Christian shouldn't have an easy time. I certainly don't, and I know the same goes for my Christian friends. We're not exactly the soft, happy, flowery people most atheists imagine. Be careful who you're talking to next time you say Christianity is easy. Look through history, you'll find that you're quite wrong.
Well that's enough on that matter.
1. Exactly. See how ridiculous that sounds? That's just what evolution sounds like to someone like me. I'm making a point, Nightsy, don't take me too seriously.
I don't think that first part is directed at me. I've never said being a Christian is easy. And OK, I won't.
And I never said dinosaurs were there. They could have died ages before that, or perhaps they never did board the Ark. Interesting prospect, is it not? Were that the case, they clearly weren't species God wanted to exist (I can name a few reasons as to why.).
I'll hear the reasons out.
2. Great. I'm asserting an argument. Now show me the holes. Before one can go, prancing around, telling other people that they're wrong, one must learn why these people are wrong. If you all ready know why, then please explain this to me so that I may reconsider my stance on the issue.
And for the record, I'm not one of a few. I'm one of many Christians who believe themselves to be utterly correct. I have no doubts about God's existence, and I haven't yet finished my argument on the matter.
And for the record, I'm not one of a few. I'm one of many Christians who believe themselves to be utterly correct. I have no doubts about God's existence, and I haven't yet finished my argument on the matter.
Fine.
For all of you who don't know, here is the Cosmological argument: every existing thing must have a cause. Following the causal chain backwards throughout time, it cannot be infinite, so there must be a first cause. This cause must be uncaused. Nothing except God can exist without a cause. Therefore God exists.
1.) 'Everything must have a cause.' Therefore there can be nothing that does not have a cause. This is an internal contradiction in the Cosmological argument, being that it asserts everything must be caused, yet asserts something that has not been caused to exist.
2.) Allow me to bring your attention to the First Law of Thermodynamics - energy and matter cannot be created, nor can they be destroyed. If we are going to use the physical 'law' that everything has been caused, we must also take into account this other physical law, which an uncaused cause would clearly violate. If we're going to use physical laws to prove requirement of a god, we can't cherry-pick.
3.) I'm sure you'll have heard of virtual particles. These little things appear in pairs out of literally nothing, caused by nothing, and are annihalated, by absolutely nothing. This clearly shows that not everything has a cause.
4.) The partical argument. 'God doesn't need a cause because he is out of time' is not an answer to why the cause of the universe must be God. All there needs to be is one particle that is 'out of time' that caused the Big Bang. I mean, light particles and photons do not experience time. Therefore, according to the Cosmological argument, light can just pop into existence without a cause.
5.) There is no evidence that opposes an infinite regress. We, as human beings, are not comfortable with infinity, but this is reality, and it doesn't care whether we are comfortable.
And on yet another note, I don't reuse arguments very often. I actually based my opinions about why God absolutely must exist on my own conclusions. I started from scratch, so to speak. So don't think me biased -- I truly believe God exists.
That's lovely. Me too.
1. The meaning of life isn't an opinion. It's basic logic. Although I've not yet covered this point, God created humans to love and be loved by. Basically, He wanted creatures that could choose Him, rather than being totally innocent and therefore further from Him.
See, whatever created the Universe must have had a reason -- why else create it? Either the creator wanted to love us or hate us, and, as explained before, if He hated us, then we'd most certainly be suffering worse than we currently are (after all, we can imagine something worse).
See, whatever created the Universe must have had a reason -- why else create it? Either the creator wanted to love us or hate us, and, as explained before, if He hated us, then we'd most certainly be suffering worse than we currently are (after all, we can imagine something worse).
All assuming an intelligent creator exists, obviously.
2. Being a Christian most certainly is the hardest thing I could have done, or could currently be doing. Perhaps it is just the mindset of you people who live in rich countries away from persecution, but everyone persecutes Christians.
Yes, everyone in the entire world persecutes Christians. 'But I've always respected everybody's religion' - 'NO YOU HAVEN'T! YOU PERSECUTED THEM TOO!'
What? You can't even spell the word "Testament" correctly -- how do I know you know anything about it? I wasn't saying anything like that. I was explaining to Evil Inclination why the Law of Moses from the Bible seems to harsh. Why these laws do not define Christianity. Why Christianity isn't violent. Why these laws don't apply.
And I take things the wrong way?
And I take things the wrong way?
You keep using 'it's' instead of 'its'. You clearly have no idea what a possessive noun is. And you just used to wrong variation of 'to'. You also used 'all ready' instead of 'already'. You don't know much, do you?
I told you why He MUST exist on page 5.
See above, cupcake.
Think of it like this: In order to get out of the way of a careening truck speeding toward you, you first have to believe that the truck exists. You then must see that someone is able and willing to help. You then must decide whether or not to take this person's hand so that they may pull you to safety. It's not religion. It's reality. None of these things are redundant, or demanding. They're logical steps to living eternally with the Whoeveritwas that created the Universe.
This is an awful message for kids about road safety. This problem would never have occurred if the person had just watched the lights change.
Okay... that was out there. But they were not opinions. They were facts. Some had opinions, but they were based on FACTS. Here, spell it with me. F-A-C-T-S.
We're typing. If he can't spell 'facts' when it's in lower case, he won't be able to spell it in upper case either.
Look, I'm not here to argue. I'm here to answer questions concerning my beliefs, because I believe that you are in danger of losing your lives. Like any good person would, I am trying to lead you to safety, but to do that, I must prove to you that you are in danger.
Aww, what a sweetheart! If the prospect of death or Hell ever starts to scare me, I'll let you know.